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Stolen from [info]maclean because more people need to see this.
Get Off His Back (Updated)
By Ben Stein
Published 9/2/2005 11:59:59 PM


***UPDATED: Sunday, Sept. 4, 2005, 2:13 p.m.***

A few truths, for those who have ears and eyes and care to know the truth:

1.) The hurricane that hit New Orleans and Mississippi and Alabama was an astonishing tragedy. The suffering and loss of life and peace of mind of the residents of those areas is acutely horrifying.

2.) George Bush did not cause the hurricane. Hurricanes have been happening for eons. George Bush did not create them or unleash this one.

3.) George Bush did not make this one worse than others. There have been far worse hurricanes than this before George Bush was born.

4.) There is no overwhelming evidence that global warming exists as a man-made phenomenon. There is no clear-cut evidence that global warming even exists. There is no clear evidence that if it does exist it makes hurricanes more powerful or makes them aim at cities with large numbers of poor people. If global warming is a real phenomenon, which it may well be, it started long before George Bush was inaugurated, and would not have been affected at all by the Kyoto treaty, considering that Kyoto does not cover the world's worst polluters -- China, India, and Brazil. In a word, George Bush had zero to do with causing this hurricane. To speculate otherwise is belief in sorcery.

5.) George Bush had nothing to do with the hurricane contingency plans for New Orleans. Those are drawn up by New Orleans and Louisiana. In any event, the plans were perfectly good: mandatory evacuation. It is in no way at all George Bush's fault that about 20 percent of New Orleans neglected to follow the plan. It is not his fault that many persons in New Orleans were too confused to realize how dangerous the hurricane would be. They were certainly warned. It's not George Bush's fault that there were sick people and old people and people without cars in New Orleans. His job description does not include making sure every adult in America has a car, is in good health, has good sense, and is mobile.

6.) George Bush did not cause gangsters to shoot at rescue helicopters taking people from rooftops, did not make gang bangers rape young girls in the Superdome, did not make looters steal hundreds of weapons, in short make New Orleans into a living hell.

7.) George Bush is the least racist President in mind and soul there has ever been and this is shown in his appointments over and over. To say otherwise is scandalously untrue.

8.) George Bush is rushing every bit of help he can to New Orleans and Mississippi and Alabama as soon as he can. He is not a magician. It takes time to organize huge convoys of food and now they are starting to arrive. That they get in at all considering the lawlessness of the city is a miracle of bravery and organization.

9.) There is not the slightest evidence at all that the war in Iraq has diminished the response of the government to the emergency. To say otherwise is pure slander.

10.) If the energy the news media puts into blaming Bush for an Act of God worsened by stupendous incompetence by the New Orleans city authorities and the malevolence of the criminals of the city were directed to helping the morale of the nation, we would all be a lot better off.

11.) New Orleans is a great city with many great people. It will recover and be greater than ever. Sticking pins into an effigy of George Bush that does not resemble him in the slightest will not speed the process by one day.

12.) The entire episode is a dramatic lesson in the breathtaking callousness of government officials at the ground level. Imagine if Hillary Clinton had gotten her way and they were in charge of your health care.

God bless all of those dear people who are suffering so much, and God bless those helping them, starting with George Bush.

****
UPDATE: Sunday, Sept. 4, 2005, 2:13 p.m.:

More Mysteries of Katrina:

Why is it that the snipers who shot at emergency rescuers trying to save people in hospitals and shelters are never mentioned except in passing, and Mr. Bush, who is turning over heaven and earth to rescue the victims of the storm, is endlessly vilified?

What church does Rev. Al Sharpton belong to that believes in passing blame and singling out people by race for opprobrium and hate?

What special abilities does the media have for deciding how much blame goes to the federal government as opposed to the city government of New Orleans for the aftereffects of Katrina?

If able-bodied people refuse to obey a mandatory evacuation order for a city, have they not assumed the risk that ill effects will happen to them?

When the city government simply ignores its own sick and hospitalized and elderly people in its evacuation order, is Mr. Bush to blame for that?

Is there any problem in the world that is not Mr. Bush's fault, or have we reverted to a belief in a sort of witchcraft where we credit a mortal man with the ability to create terrifying storms and every other kind of ill wind?

Where did the idea come from that salvation comes from hatred and criticism and mockery instead of love and co-operation?


Ben Stein is a writer, actor, economist, and lawyer living in Beverly Hills and Malibu. He also writes "Ben Stein's Diary" in every issue of The American Spectator.




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[info]turtle_avenger
2005-09-14 04:14 pm UTC (link)
That's brilliant.

I don't fully agree that President Bush's motives have been pure and just. (It seems rude to call him "Mr." as if he doesn't have an official title. He's not a private citizen.) But, I can't blame him for being who we all knew he was and who any other president would be. And now that he has accepted blame for the slow response, what can ya do? Move on. I'd like to see anyone else rescue that many STATES full of people in trouble. heh.





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Just deserts
[info]sigtrent
2005-09-14 04:34 pm UTC (link)
The way I see it...

George Bushs decline in popularity is due to the fact that many of his supporters are the sort of short sighted folks that think lowering their taxes and being a good christian will magicaly make the world a better place, and that as soon as there is a crisis Mr. Magic should be able to utter a prayr and doll out all that tax money to instantly fix every problem.

They don't actualy think much about how things work or why, they just support whomever claims they can fix things in a way they can understand without thinking too hard about it.

So the moment things go south, their support withers.

The problem is, I don't think you can get elected in america without the support of such fair weather friends.

I think Bush did whatever he could to deal with the disaster in question. I would say that perhaps mistakes were made in where to doll out government dollars, but government has to make hard decisions in that reguard and its hard to fault them for not being totaly prepared for natures wrath.

I don't much like Bush but it does seem silly the kinds of things people lay at his doorstep while ignoring more telling, but more complicated flaws.

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wow... that's hilarious...
[info]templar46_2
2005-09-14 04:57 pm UTC (link)
in that "many of these are outright lies or at the very least grossly misleading statements clearly spun to support him" way...

ah Ben Stein... still a funny guy. Not in the way he probably means, but i think he's pretty ell-oh-ell worthy.

the one that really gets me is number seven... cause yeah, appointing an open supporter of the KKK (ashcroft) proves nothing!... and the fact that global warming has come into question more in the last... administration... than ever before is amusing. Under the Bush admin, "science" is suddenly an untrustworthy beast and we shouldn't jump to any preemptive measures that could maybe save lives and/or our way of life later on... cause there's "no clear evidence"... pfft, the nature of science itself is to constantly re-evaluate your ideas and the possibilities of the world around us. The problem isn't that some people think Bush "created" global warming... it's that he's such an utter fucking moron that he just makes a monkey face whenever he doesn't understand something, and goes on vacation. But hey... it's not his fault... he didn't cause the hurricane, of course not... but interrupting his golf game early means the terrorists win.

*eyeroll*

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Re: wow... that's hilarious...
[info]wakko
2005-09-14 06:15 pm UTC (link)
I hate to break the news to you, but there has NEVER been clear evidence to support global warming. Ever.

It's not that science is suddenly untrustworthy, it's that there are a lot of bullshit artists who are untrustworthy and not even deserving of being called scientists that are recently being unmasked and seen for what they are.

It's the same reason that the original founder of Greenpeace is no longer running or even a member of the organization: the politics and bullshit rhetoric have overshadowed the science.

Even if Ben Stein has gotten a couple of the details wrong, which I doubt, his point is true: These problems aren't Bush's fault, and it's silly to blame him for all of the world's woes.

However, most people just want an easily recognizable figurehead to blame and use as an outlet for their frustrations, they don't want to actually understand how things really work.

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Re: wow... that's hilarious...
[info]templar46_2
2005-09-14 06:42 pm UTC (link)
you're not breaking any news... but there's a lack of evidence for just about anything you want to prove scientifically... fuck, apparently it's okay to assert religious concepts, but global warming? noooo... we need "more evidence". lol

i think his choice regarding the Kyoto agreement was fucking ridiculous, wrong, spiteful and jerky... and he's gone against the evidence that *does* exist... and based his decision on the evidence that does not. seems pretty fucking backwards to me.

Put another way; if i plug a whole ton of electrical appliances into a single socket, and then stack a ton of newspaper next to it... i have some decent evidence that suggests that could be a fire hazard... however, there's no solid evidence that *WILL* happen, just that it might, or that it's probable. Based on this lack of evidence, i will go ahead and pile those newspapers near the overworked power outlet. 0_o


"It's not that science is suddenly untrustworthy, it's that there are a lot of bullshit artists who are untrustworthy and not even deserving of being called scientists that are recently being unmasked and seen for what they are."

yes, they're called "republicans" ;) did you see the petition signed by the Nobel prize winners and the scientific community in general? cause ya oughta.

"These problems aren't Bush's fault, and it's silly to blame him for all of the world's woes."

i didn't say they were his "fault", clearly he doesn't cause hurricanes, that's just silly... it's the fact that he's a big fucking jackass, makes poor decisions, approves bills that allow citizens to be held for an unlimited amount of time without any sort of charge, steals money from civil resources to pay for his war on terror... and generally acts like a big asshole... THAT'S his fault. i have no illusions about whether or not he's to blame for the hurricane.

He IS to blame for my frustrations. i do, in fact, understand how things actually work, and he's a goddamn idiot. I don't blame him for what happened in new orleans, i blame him for his behavior *regarding* what happened in new orleans. (except for that thing about stealing money from the levies for the iraq war... that's pretty blame-heavy.)

I want him crucified for ALL of his transgressions... this is a drop in the fucking ocean compared to how criminally negligent he's been since he took office *the first time*.

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Re: wow... that's hilarious...
[info]wakko
2005-09-14 08:25 pm UTC (link)
See, this is where I actually agree with you. Bush has made plenty fuck-ups on his own, why blame the fuck-ups of others on him as well?

I understand that people have an axe to grind with this guy, but far too many are letting it cloud their judgement and they're going to rather extreme lengths to pin the blame of EVERYTHING on him.


Your fire hazard example is way off, as is your reasonings about evidence.

See, we have very speculative evidence that global warming *might* exist. It's one way for us to explain the trends in the data we're collecting. However, it's not the *only* explanation. In fact, it's not even the best explanation. It's simply the explanation that involves the end of the world and the extinction of humankind, so it's easy to sell to the media and the masses who will never bother to pick up a scientific journal and read the truth.

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Re: wow... that's hilarious...
[info]templar46_2
2005-09-14 10:15 pm UTC (link)
i feel he is actually responsible in the sense that a commander/boss/parent is responsible for the actions of his squad/employees/children. but... that's not really the point. apparently we agree after all. :)

i don't think my fire hazard example is off by any means... likewise i think you're slightly mislead in your understanding of global warming (not really "end of the world"... just end of our means of interacting with it... which likewise i also do not feel is "bad" exactly... i'm one of those "humanity IS a force of nature" people.)

to me however, (and i realize that debating whether or not global warming is the shizznat or not isn't going anywhere, i'm not really trying to convince you obviously)... saying there isn't enough clear evidence... is exactly the same as conservative christians saying that there isn't enough evidence to support evolution (vs. creationism)... they too say things like "it *might* exist, it's not the only or even the best explanation".

which... i hope you'll forgive me for the comparison, i think is pretty ridiculous. I mean... i understand, and i totally dig that people have a right to feel differently... i just don't agree. *shrug*

But like i said... global warming is a personal opinion... my axe is with the whole administration (dude, chaney is SO Lex Luthor!)... and this is just one facet of that admin. that i disapprove of.

my biggest single gripe with this administration, and the conservative right in general... is the whole "don't tell me what to do" thing. I really, really really, really hate when people try to make my mind up for me... and Bush, his admin, and conservatives in gereral... have overwhelmingly (from where i stand) been attempting to do a whole lot of that.

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Re: wow... that's hilarious...
[info]templar46_2
2005-09-14 10:36 pm UTC (link)
er... not that global warming *itself* is a personal opinion... i meant "what should be done about it" is a personal opinion. ;)

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Re: wow... that's hilarious...
[info]templar46_2
2005-09-14 06:47 pm UTC (link)
oh... also, greenpeace = pretty uncool in a "possibly a super-villain's personal organization" way... i'm fairly confident they have a secret base inside an inactive volcano somewhere.

but... that's nothing new. Anyone with a little bit of awareness beyond "aw, i get a calender with whales?!" already knows that too.

not a good example.

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Re: wow... that's hilarious...
[info]wakko
2005-09-14 08:18 pm UTC (link)
It's a great example because one of the guys that founded the organization, Dr. Patrick Moore, did so for completely different reasons than what the organization is currently focused on.

In fact, Moore is an advocate for evironmentalists and lumber companies WORKING TOGETHER to grow and harvest trees.

Greenpeace today is not the Greenpeace that Moore and his friends started back in the 60s.

You should try comparing the things scientists like Moore says with the bullshit rhetoric spewed by Greenpeace now. This is the point I was making with this example.

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Re: wow... that's hilarious...
[info]templar46_2
2005-09-14 10:33 pm UTC (link)
meh... i still don't think it works terribly well... but i do see what you're getting at.

Mostly however... the "bullshit rhetoric" spewers to ME, seem to be the bought and paid-for "experts" who support crazy ideas like "there's no such thing as global warming" (snicker)... because the bush-admin doesn't wanna foot the bill for such a drastic change in their own financial investments.

but i agree, i do think Moore's got his head on straight. And obviously i understand that such a dramatic 180' in our economy would be... unpleasant. None of that changes how i feel on the matter, nor my arm-chair-scientist perspective on the nature/cause/solution to the problem overall.

But i'm not exactly saying that greenpeace is "wrong"... not exactly anyway... mostly i'm saying that their just a cuter and fluffier version of PETA these days, and their motivations and rationality is entirely their own... and should be suspect from the beginning. Just like anytime anyone officially makes a report or statement for/from the white house or any given television network.

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Re: wow... that's hilarious...
[info]templar46_2
2005-09-14 10:40 pm UTC (link)
you know what... i just realized i totally misread the initial line.

i missed this entirely: "the politics and bullshit rhetoric have overshadowed the science."

so... actually we're arguing the same thing, just from the opposite sides. I think scientists saying global warming is unlikely are government monkeys dancing for peanuts, and you, likewise, with those supporting it as a likelihood.

d'oh. my bad.

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Re: wow... that's hilarious...
[info]wakko
2005-09-14 11:21 pm UTC (link)
Hehe... no worries d00d.

Being on the same side of the discussion is more important than the minor details.

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