Brett ([info]wakko) wrote,
@ 2008-03-28 15:14:00
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My thoughts on this morning's post.
Earlier today I talked about two similar situations that ended very differently for the people involved.

I figure that it's worth expanding on my views a bit outside of the comments.

First off, it should be noted that, while I enjoy firearms, I do not expect everyone in the world to own one. It's a nice idea, and one I would totally support, were I to pick a particular eschatological cause for which to fight. However, I do believe that it's unnecessary to have 100% ownership. While firearms owners can be shown to have a statistically significant positive effect on the safety of those around them, I also believe that there is a certain tipping point where focusing on this one thing will bring diminishing returns.

So, that said, it seems obvious that having ready access to a firearm is one of the things that played a part in how one of the scenarios went down, but there were numerous other factors as well.

The thing that I wanted to focus on for the experiment is each person's mental state. Each person made a choice based on the information they had available to them. One chose to fight back while the other chose to sit on the phone and wait for help to come.

This is where I have the biggest problem.

Fundamentally, there is a core belief that everyone has about whether they are in control of their own destiny. I believe this is what motivates some to keep looking for solutions in the face of adversity and defeat, and what is the source of the helplessness in others.

Obviously the will to power can only get you so far. Preparation, training, education, awareness, effective tools, and pure random dumb luck are all key elements in whether you successfully prevail in the face of a violent encounter.

However, without that will, I have a lot of doubt that anyone will bother to acquire the other things necessary to maximize the odds of survival.

I find it shameful and appalling that in all of the "call 911 when you need help" propaganda, few, if any, of them include any information about getting to a safe location before you call and nearly all of them tell you to stay on the line until the operator, who is not there and can not possibly be an accurate judge of the danger's immanence, tells you to hang up.

In my opinion, both of these are just plain bad advice when it comes to interacting with a criminal.

My advice:
1. Assure your own safety, by fight or by flight. Its your call. Every situation is different, only you can judge your needs.
2. If the opportunity presents itself, call 911 and quickly give all important information, acknowledge receipt of this information and confirm dispatch, then get off the phone and refocus on assuring your own safety.
3. Do not second-guess any decisions made in #1. Make a plan and execute the plan. Getting caught up in the endless series of what-if scenarios will slow you down and possibly risk your success. Even sub-optimal plans sometimes get enough right to succeed.

It is my hope that others will cultivate the desire to survive, not abdicate their survival to someone else's care, and will take steps to help assure their own safety.

In summary:
I believe in the individual freedom and safety of every human being as an inherent right that must be defended individually by everyone. This should be easy to agree on.
I believe firearms are an effective means to secure and defend both of these. You don't have to agree with me on this.




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[info]templar46_2
2008-03-29 07:17 am UTC (link)
I find it shameful and appalling that in all of the "call 911 when you need help" propaganda, few, if any, of them include any information about getting to a safe location before you call and nearly all of them tell you to stay on the line until the operator, who is not there and can not possibly be an accurate judge of the danger's immanence, tells you to hang up.

we totally agree there. boy howdy.

actually one of my biggest gripes about people in general, is the idea that the universe will somehow magically provide a solution without any action on their part. Like they don't need to go get a job, or earn a living, or keep an eye out for danger, because the next big karmic lottery is just around the corner!

i lived my life like that for a long ass time... and when i finally woke up, i was left with little sympathy for people who hadn't learned that (often harsh as hell) life lesson yet.

It's very frustrating to see people just drifting through life, and not taking responsibility for their own role IN IT... and just... hoping things will work out for the best. Whether it's because they're just sorta dumb, keen on jesus, or whatever.

no matter what situation you're in, no matter what the risk or reward... not making a choice, is nearly ALWAYS the WRONG CHOICE.

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[info]meonkeys
2008-03-31 04:05 am UTC (link)
Well said. Your 1-2-3 advice for interacting with criminals is especially sound.

I believe in the individual freedom and safety of every human being as an inherent right that must be defended individually by everyone. This should be easy to agree on.


I agree!

I believe firearms are an effective means to secure and defend both of these. You don't have to agree with me on this.


I kinda agree. But that really depends who's holding the firearm, yes? And shouldn't they need to have gone through a waiting period to get the gun, have a permit, employ a trigger lock, and, keep the gun in a crypto-locked gun safe? Someone like me would also probably benefit from some gun training, too. Like, how to hold the gun steady; how to aim; how not to hit your spouse while shooting a criminal, etc.

I guess my point is that sure, firearms are tools. But they're sure not hammers! They're very specialized and powerful tools. Specialized and powerful enough to warrant additional scrutiny and care.

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[info]wakko
2008-03-31 02:59 pm UTC (link)
"But that really depends who's holding the firearm, yes?"

No.

"And shouldn't they need to have gone through a waiting period to get the gun, have a permit, employ a trigger lock, and, keep the gun in a crypto-locked gun safe?"

No, No, Maybe, Maybe. The last two are personal preferences influenced by the home, and shouldn't be requirements of ownership. Thankfully, this is true in most states.

"Someone like me would also probably benefit from some gun training, too."

Yes. If you're going to own the tool, you need to know how to use it safely.

"Specialized and powerful enough to warrant additional scrutiny and care."

By the owner - Yes.
By the government - No.

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